This Canon Question

[ayngelcat]

Which seems to have loomed again on anon threads.

For what it's worth, I've always liked this old essay, which describes TF as a 'mythology' rather than 'canon.' Maybe its why I've never gotten hung up on the canon issue.

I'm interested in peoples' views (but please no wank - its just an idea I can see some merit in!)

http://www.eyrie.org/~dvandom/BW/Fanfic/Canon

Comments

[dellessa.livejournal.com]

My opinion? It's a multi-verse. It's canon that it IS a multiverse. So anything written by a fan is it's own verse. Sure...it may be part of the G1 or IDW group, but it is still it's own thing.

I don't think people should sweat the details. Seriously. It's for fun. =3

And maybe they shouldn't even used the label AU until it's waaaaaaaaaay out there. I just always take it for granted that it is, infact it's own verse.

tl;dr: Fanon=AU

[dragondancer515.livejournal.com]

Oh! Ooooh! I like this! He's so right! I think I'm going to repost this! Yeah, I don't hang up on canon questions either, unless it's either in my own work or someone specifically /asks/ for my opinion (and it's just that, an opinion). I also like "dellessa"'s comment about it all being a multi-verse /anyway/, and about Fanon=AU.

I think one thing I would add, in regard to fanfiction, is that depending on the author's intentions, there /is/ a measure of "canon", in a sense. It's definitely true that a fanfiction author can write whatever he or she wants and not necessarily be wrong. If he or she writes in a stated continuity (movie-verse, for example - meaning, they've /said/ "my fic takes place in the BV continuity"), puts her writing out there where others can read, and wants to be taken seriously by fellow fans, I do think there are some things she might want to keep in mind (though she certainly doesn't /have/ to).

For example, I write exclusively (at least for now) in the G1 cartoon continuity. Meaning I choose to base my stories, locations, and characterizations around those found in the cartoon (Megatron's a gun not a T-Rex, Bumblebee's perfectly capable of normal speech, Prowl's a former law enforcer rather than a ninja, etc - the other things aren't /wrong/, just "wrong" for the chosen continuity). Within that, there are some things that tend to be expected by fans in general: the Autobots live in the Ark which is buried in a mountainside (be that in Oregon or SoCal or wherever, since while the comics established that, the cartoon never did). Starscream tends to be screechy. Wheeljack is a straight-up engineer and inventor (LOL he'd probably /hurt/ himself if he tried to pick up a pair of swords...though I realize that'd be more "fanon" than "canon" since there's nothing in the cartoon to support that one way or the other). Point is, if an author states a particular continuity for her fic, readers are going to tend to expect to see certain things. The author certainly doesn't have to deliver on all, or any, of those within the space of the reality she's creating in her fic (like Dellessa said, ultimately all fanon is inherently AU), but generally when a reader comes to a writer's work, unless the work is specifically marked AU, the reader is expecting to get more of the same as what they're used to.

Of course, the only one it /really/ matters to is the writer, what /they're/ wanting to express. Readers can read or skip as they choose. Ultimately, they don't really have a say in whether something is "canon" or not for someone else's work. I try to VERY MUCH be a stickler in the details of my own works, or have /very/ good reasons for how/why I seem to deviate anywhere, but that's my choice. I tend to look for works by authors who do the same, but if someone doesn't, I can choose to not read but I have no place to say "ur doin it rong".

Gah, I've rambled. Ultimately, again, Dellessa's right - "I don't think people should sweat the details. Seriously. It's for fun. =3" I sweat the details for my /own/ works, because that's how I am. I don't for others, though. 9 times out of 10, I'll enjoy something even if it doesn't line up with my own view - it wasn't meant to - and if something just is too different for me somehow, I simply don't read it, but I'm certainly not going to say the author can't write it. =3

TL;DR FTW. XD;;;

[ultharkitty.livejournal.com]

I really like that, and I think it's a large part of the appeal of TFs to me. I've never felt so compelled to create something for a fandom before (not even for the Cthulhu mythos), and I think it's because there's so much potential here.

That said, sometimes I like getting hung up on the canon details and using them to help shape my writing. But I'm not going to let Vortex's lack of claws in G1 stop me from giving him claws in fic if I want, and I certainly won't be leery of fusing together aspects from different continuities in anything I write. If people don't like that, there's plenty of other fic for them to read. And if they do, then that's really nice.

[mdnytryder.livejournal.com]

Great article, I never saw that before.

I don't understand why some people are so concerned with 'canon'. I recall the rants about Bay, and I would think, if Hasbro (the holder of 'The Canon') didn't like it, they would have stopped him. Just chill.

Hey, my writing is canon for me. And that's what counts.

[boreal-forest.livejournal.com]

*blushes*

...'m sort of guilty of keeping myself to canon when it comes to my favourite mech. However, when there's so very little of him to start with, I want to use it for all its worth.

While writing I use things I know he's said in canon. Lucky for me, two of the issues Devcon is in are actually written. The last one a bloody short novel. Otherwise, I tend to use whatever time units his continuity uses, and I make sure to know where in his timeline I'm writing him. Places he's been in, characters he knows, old hunts... Yeah. I use referenses verrrry few would be able to spot, really, but it feels good to do so.

I want him to feel alive, and those canon details give him meat on the bones, in a way. The rest? Hehe, bloody good guesses. LOL!

I also use him quite a bit in RP, but then he still brings canon over. Keep in mind, however, that I don't mind reading mixed continuities, crossovers, AUs, etc. I love all the work writers put into world building, OCs or RP.

The creative process is beautiful. ;A;

So, yeah. I'll read it ALL. <3

[redseeker]

I really liked this essay. And, with the definitions the writer gives, I'd say "mythology" is a good term for the massive tangled web of stories and details and characters that is Transformers.

I love drawing from "canon" to guide my own writing, and can get annoyed if reading something (even if it's something I've written) that seems to contradict the particular source material it's using without enough of a plausible reason why that contradiction takes place. Having said that, I really like playing around with the grey areas, the gaps in the stories, what isn't shown or mentioned in the official versions.

There's a trend in the fandom that I've noticed, being a fairly new-school fan, which is to make every continuity like G1 - characters must have the same personality, history, etc etc, even when, if you look at the other continuities, this clearly isn't the case. One example that I suppose I could talk about at any length is fan portrayals of a character like Starscream. TFA Starscream is very different from G1 Starscream, who is different from TFP Starscream, who is very different from Unicron Trilogy Starscream... yet I still run into TFA fics where Starscream's voice is described as "shrill" or "screechy" (compared to G1? it's a fucking purr XD), or his personality as "cowardly", that he used to be a scientist, etc etc whatever. I get the feeling the person has seen G1 and applied that to all other continuities indiscriminately, because to them only G1 is "canon". There's also the possibility to choose whether you want to include "expanded universe" type stuff as your "canon" - e.g. if I'm writing for Bayverse, do I want to say all the associated Bayverse comics are canon too? As someone who doesn't really have access or knowledge to/of comics, that would be hard for me, so I would tend to stick to the movies themselves...

Basically I expect fan-authors to pay attention to whichever source material they've chosen to base their work on, but at the same time, try not to get too hung up on every single detail. I mean, I'd love for all of my work to be 100% plausible and accurate, but I just don't have the time or access to enough of the "canon" to check every little thing. I've been writing a long TFA fic recently, and I'm sure I've made some mistakes, but between the episodes and the wiki I've done the best I can.

(Sorry for all the edits! :S )